Adam God

Miscellaneous References

The Challenge by L.D.S authorities!

By Brigham Young " Take up the Bible, compare the religion of the Latter-Day Saints with it and see if it will stand the test" (
Journal of Discourses V16 P46, 1873)

By Brigham young " No man can disprove a truth...Why not rather every man rise up and say, Let God be true, let the truth
remain and let me know the truth. That is what I want-I will submit to it; and let every false theory and principle fall, to rise up no
more"
( Journal of Discourses V8, P132, 1860)

By Orson Pratt " If we cannot convince you by reason nor by the word of God, that your religion is wrong, we will not persecute
you...we ask you the same generosity...convince us of our errors of doctrine, if we have any, by reason, by logical arguments, or
by the word of God and we will be forever grateful for the information"
(The Seer, pg.15)

The Authority of the L.D.S Leaders? Or the Arrogance?
The Discourses of Wilford Woodruff, p.212 - p.213
"the Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as president of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the
program"

Journal of Discourses, Vol.6, p.32, Heber C. Kimball, November 8, 1857
learn to do as you are told.........if you are told by your leader to do a thing, do it. None of your business whether it is right or
wrong.

Louis Midgley, Review of Books on the Book of Mormon, p.11
"The membership of the Mormon church," Smith writes, "is taught not to 'question the mysteries': 'When the Prophet speaks,
the thinking has been done

History of the Church, Vol.6, Ch.19, p.408
(Joseph Smith speaking here.)
In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil--all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil
over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man
had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the
whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The
followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.

If Joseph Smith was not a follower of Jesus Christ then whom was he following?

L.D.S say Jesus is the one who got married where he turned the water into wine:
Journal of Discourses, Vol.2,p.82, Orson Hyde,10/6 1854
Gentlemen, that is as plain as the translators, or different councils over this Scripture, dare allow it to go to the world, but the
thing is there; it is told; Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee, and he told them what to do. Now there
was actually a marriage; and if Jesus was not the bridegroom on that occasion, please tell who was. If any man can show this,
and prove that it was not the Savior of the world, then I will acknowledge I am in error. We say it was Jesus Christ who was
married, to be brought into the relation whereby he could see his seed, before he was crucified.

B. H. Roberts, Defense of the Faith and the Saints, Vol.2, p.309
" Jesus himself was married, and was probably a polygamist."

Jesus was invited to this wedding:
John 2:1-2 And on the third day there was a wedding in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there; and Jesus also
was invited, and His disciples, to the wedding.

Why would someone be invited to his own wedding? There is nothing in the text that even slightly indicates Jesus was married.

Brigham Young taught that Adam was God:
Journal of Discourses, Vol.1, p.50 - p.51,
Brigham Young, April 9, 1852
Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of
Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this
world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken--HE is our
FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or
non-professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later.

Journal of Discourses, Vol.5, p.331 - p.332, Brigham Young, October 7, 1857
Their belief reminds me that brother Joseph B. Nobles once told a Methodist priest, after hearing him describe his god, that the
god they worshipped was the "Mormons'" devil--a being without a body, whereas our God has a body, parts, and passions.
The Devil was cursed and sent down from heaven. He has no body of his own; therefore he is constantly endeavouring to
obtain possession of the tabernacles belonging to others. Some have grumbled because I believe our God to be so near to us
as Father Adam. There are many who know that doctrine to be true. Where was Michael in the creation of this earth? Did he
have a mission to the earth? He did. Where was he? In the Grand Council, and performed the mission assigned him there.
Now, if it should happen that we have to pay tribute to Father Adam, what a humiliating circumstance it would be! Just wait till
you pass Joseph Smith; and after Joseph lets you pass him, you will find Peter; and after you pass the Apostles and many of
the Prophets, you will find Abraham, and he will say, "I have the keys, and except you do thus and so, you cannot pass;" and
after a while you come to Jesus; and when you at length meet Father Adam, how strange it will appear to your present notions.
If we can pass Joseph and have him say, "Here; you have been faithful, good boys; I hold the keys of this dispensation; I will let
you pass;" then we shall be very glad to see the white locks of Father Adam. But those are ideas which do not concern us at
present, although it is written in the Bible--"This is eternal life, to know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast
sent."

Brigham Young's words are as good as scripture:
Journal of Discourses, Vol.13, p.95, Brigham Young, January 2, 1870
The Lord is in our midst. He teaches the people continually. I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children
of men, that they may not call Scripture. Let me have the privilege of correcting a sermon, and it is as good Scripture as they
deserve.

Jesus crucified because of polygamy?
Journal of Discourses, Vol.1, p.346, Jedediah M. Grant, August 7, 1853
The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was
evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in the doctrine of
a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were "Mormons."

Grant here is quoting a philosopher not Mormon Doctrine. However his response to the quote is amazing. The first time I read
this it made me mad. Grant on the other hand is does not bothered at all. Also interesting is he does admit that Jesus and his
disciples were not Mormons.

If a white man has relations with a Negro God will kill him. It sounds racial to me!
Here is another interesting quote from Brigham Young.
Journal of Discourses, Vol.10, p.109, Brigham Young, March 8, 1863
Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood
with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so. The nations of the
earth have transgressed every law that God has given, they have changed the ordinances and broken every covenant made
with the fathers, and they are like a hungry man that dreameth that he eateth, and he awaketh and behold he is empty.

Who says white man is a chosen seed? What nationality is that? The New Testament does not agree with this racial attitude.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first
and also to the Greek.

Rom 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who
call upon Him;

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all
one in Christ Jesus.

Col 3:10-11 and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who
created him a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian,
Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all.

A council of Gods made up the plan of creation
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Six 1843-44, p.349
In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the
world and people it. When we begin to learn this way, we begin to learn the only true God, and what kind of a being we have got
to worship. Having a knowledge of God, we begin to know how to approach him, and how to ask so as to receive an answer.
When we understand the character of God, and how to come to him, he begins to unfold the heavens to us, and to tell us all
about it. When we are ready to come to him, he is ready to come to us.

God says he created all by himself with no help:
Isa 44:24 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, "I, the LORD, am the maker of all
things, stretching out the heavens by myself, and spreading out the earth all alone,

Mormons are told not to eat meat except in cold or famine (not summer)
D&C 89:12-13
12 Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving;
nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;
13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.

The Bible says Adam sinned a Mormon prophet disagrees with the Bible.
Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.1, p.114

It is true, the Lord warned Adam and Eve that to partake of the fruit they would transgress a law, and this happened. But it is not
always a sin to transgress a law. I will try to illustrate this. The chemist in his laboratory takes different elements and combines
them, and the result is that something very different results. He has changed the law. As an example in point: hydrogen, two
parts, and oxygen, one part, passing through an electric spark will combine and form water. Hydrogen will burn, so will oxygen,
but water will put out a fire. This may be subject to some disagreement by the critics who will say it is not transgressing a law.
Well, Adam's transgression was of a similar nature, that is, his transgression was in accordance with law.

The transgression of Adam did not involve sex sin as some falsely believe and teach. Adam and Eve were married by the Lord
while they were yet immortal beings in the Garden of Eden and before death entered the world.

ADAM AND EVE REJOICED IN FALL. Before partaking of the fruit Adam could have lived forever; therefore, his status was
one of immortality. When he ate, he became subject to death, and therefore he became mortal. This was a transgression of the
law, but not a sin in the strict sense, for it was something that Adam and Eve had to do!

I am sure that neither Adam nor Eve looked upon it as a sin, when they learned the consequences, and this is discovered in
their words after they learned the consequences.

Adam said: "Blessed be the name of God, for because of my transgression my eyes are opened, and in this life I shall have
joy, and again in the flesh I shall see God."

Eve said: "Were it riot for our transgression we never should have had seed, and never should have known good and evil, and
the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obedient."

We can hardly look upon anything resulting in such benefits as being a sin, in the sense in which we consider sin.
(End of quote)

The Bible never tells us Adam and Eve rejoiced in the fall. Adam and Eve never said what this former Mormon prophet quotes
them as saying from the Book of Mormon. The bible says it was a sin. Furthermore God punished them for it.
(Genesis chapter 3)

Rom 5:12-15 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all
men, because all sinned-- for until the Law sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death
reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of
Him who was to come. But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much
more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many.